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This essay has been the first essay I've read in a long time that gave me some truly novel insights and I want to thank you for it. Thank you for writing this. It brought me back to the old internet back when we could still discuss interesting ideas in depth.

I have a few random thoughts I want to share that are prompted by this article. It's a long article and my thoughts might be a little jumbled but y'all can take them or leave them as you see fit.

First, because it's freshest on my mind, a simple note about you mentioning that the arson data for San Francisco seems weird. I moved away years ago, I don't know if it's still like this. But when I lived in San Francisco it became clear to me, paying close attention to local happenings and reading between some lines, that a significant fraction of arson in San Francisco is political in nature. I'm talking things like "the fancy luxury condo development mysteriously burned down overnight" kind of things. I suspected this for a while, but became convinced during a random conversation with my at-the-time girlfriend's mom. Her mom was a radical activist from the 80s and she once flippantly said "the protestors these days have no balls. Back in the 80s, when we were fighting gentrification, we burned things down". The casual and confident way she said this made me believe that she was serious. I have no idea to what extent this would skew the arson numbers for San Francisco, but if San Francisco is an outlier relative to other cities on that metric, this might explain that

Second, speaking of ex-girlfriends' mothers, I had a different ex-girlfriend whose parents were both US Federal employees in northern Virginia. I never quite had the vocabulary to describe exactly what I thought their character flaws were, but you have hit the nail perfectly on the head with this essay. In short (and I hope this is a charitable and accurate summary of one of your points): her mother was exactly the kind of TDTPT bureaucrat who has completely and totally subjugated her personal will to the incentive framework of her superiors, and who has internalized the "de-escalate conflict over all else" framing you laid out above, including the sort of condescending pity of "they're just like that".

This is something that I have struggled to understand for a long time. Like, I can fully and totally understand the priority placed on non-violent de-escalation, walking away from conflicts, etc. As a very non-aggressive man, that is what I usually do, and it makes sense to me. But what I have never been able to understand or make my peace with, is why a pass is given to some people to break these norms. Why it seems, for instance, that the property criminals in San Francisco can get away with break-ins, muggings, and thefts, and the people like my ex's mom will blame the victim for not securing their car, but if _I_ were to break in and mug them, they'd use the full weight of the state's violence to destroy my life without a second thought.

It's especially baffling to me, because one of the conventional culture-war explanations for this is essentially "the people taking this condescending, victim-blaming attitude are so privileged that they can isolate themselves from most of these violent consequences, and so they do not experience the actual harms when they're moralizing". Eg, they live in the suburbs so _their_ cars never get broken into. However, in my experience, this is clearly untrue. The people doing this moralizing in SF, for example, have all been mugged and robbed before, and I don't understand what social or material benefit they get that is so strong that they feel no desire whatsoever to materially improve the safety and quality of life standards of where they live. The best explanation I've been able to come up with is that they've elevated Christian style 'turn-the-other-cheek' almost into a fetish, and they get off on it. This is obviously an uncharitable and unsatisfying explanation.

Finally, my third thought is to observe an intense negative personal reaction to reading much of this essay. At the risk of oversharing, I am (or perhaps was) an extremely high TDTPT person. In fact, in my highschool I was the highest achieving student in the 40 year history of the school. I "did everything right", I "followed the rules", I "made the authority happy". I am not successful in any of the ways you lay out for the elites in this article. I don't have any understanding of why this system, which appears to be tailor-made to elevate people like me, has failed me so hard. But I can tell you, these days, I no longer have any desire to past tests, and I actively snub the noses of authority figures. _That_ dynamic I can explain easily: the system has failed me, and I see no reason to subordinate myself to it when there is no payoff. Still, I struggle greatly with trying to understand how it go to this point.

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Legatvs Silanvs's avatar

My mother once made me do the marshmallow test when I was a kid. Out of pure spite I ate it immediately.

In primary I bought into compliance out of misguided belief that this was virtuous. Seeing how the anarcho-tyranny lite rewarded me (favored degenerates) made me an anti-regime maverick ever since.

A close analogy for what's happened then is Severian from Book of the New Sun. I dream now of nothing but being autarch - a law unto myself.

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